Response to Takeout double When RHO bid
#1
Posted 2004-October-01, 14:44
(1D) D (1S)
what will 2h show ? pnts and how many hearts ?
how different when its at the 1 level ? (1D) D (1H) 1S
#2
Posted 2004-October-01, 15:55
Flame, on Oct 1 2004, 12:44 PM, said:
(1D) D (1S)
what will 2h show ? pnts and how many hearts ?
how different when its at the 1 level ? (1D) D (1H) 1S
1n the 1st:
----Double is penalty of 1♠
----2♥ shows about 7-9
----3♥ is about 10-12
The 2nd:
-----1♠ can be shaded a little; perhaps a decent 5 count
With anything less, pass to 'box' your hand.
#3
Posted 2004-October-01, 16:18
Definitely disagree with this comment. Many pairs play that the jump to 3H here is pre emptive.
#4
Posted 2004-October-01, 16:36
The_Hog, on Oct 1 2004, 05:18 PM, said:
Definitely disagree with this comment. Many pairs play that the jump to 3H here is pre emptive.
Do you agree with the rest of his post ?
Does 2h promiss 7-9 ?
and how many hearts ?
This is pretty basic, but i wanted to clear it to my partner and i.
#5
Posted 2004-October-01, 17:09
The_Hog, on Oct 1 2004, 02:18 PM, said:
Definitely disagree with this comment. Many pairs play that the jump to 3H here is pre emptive.
Ron - I would agree with you if 3♥ was a double jump; i.e., (1♣) - Dbl - (1♦) - 3♥. But not as 3♥ as a single jump.
Your either loading up the cue bid or playing 2♥ as too wide of a range if 3♥ is weak in the given example.
#6
Posted 2004-October-01, 17:48
pclayton, on Oct 1 2004, 06:09 PM, said:
The_Hog, on Oct 1 2004, 02:18 PM, said:
Definitely disagree with this comment. Many pairs play that the jump to 3H here is pre emptive.
Ron - I would agree with you if 3♥ was a double jump; i.e., (1♣) - Dbl - (1♦) - 3♥. But not as 3♥ as a single jump.
Your either loading up the cue bid or playing 2♥ as too wide of a range if 3♥ is weak in the given example.
Generally you should forget about games in competitve especially when both your opponents bid, its more importent to be able to follow the law of total tricks.
#7
Posted 2004-October-02, 03:59
Does 2h promiss 7-9 ?"
Not really. My pd and I try to bid at all costs, so I would bid here with a 4-5 count and 5H.
Incidentally if my pd Xs and I have a 12 count, I doubt I am stopping below game.
#8
Posted 2004-October-02, 12:59
The_Hog, on Oct 2 2004, 01:59 AM, said:
Does 2h promiss 7-9 ?"
Not really. My pd and I try to bid at all costs, so I would bid here with a 4-5 count and 5H.
Incidentally if my pd Xs and I have a 12 count, I doubt I am stopping below game.
I'm not going to make too big of a deal about this, but especially new players need to understand the concept of 'boxing' their hand. You can't bid 2♥ in the auction on all of the following hands:
If you take a 'bid at all costs' approach, partner cannot make a intelligent competitive decision, since your strength is random. Much better to pass first (the 1♠ call is theoretically forcing, right? So you'll get a chance in this auction) and compete later if necessary. The initial pass confines your hand to less than a certain HCP (whether it be less than 6, or 5, or 4 or whatever), so when you compete later, partner has a real good idea about what you have.
Even if 1♠ isn't forcing, partner also understands the importance of competing for the part score and can reopen.