[jillybean]

Scoring: IMP

P (P) 1♦ (P)
1♥ (P) 1♠ AP

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[gwnn]

n passed.. why?

[TylerE]

50/50.

Both should have bid 1 more spade.

[kayin801]

I like to give a courtesy bump to 2S with the north hand, known 8 card fit in the master suit and far from a useless hand, makes it harder for them to balance when opener has 7 points fewer, and we get to games when opener has hands like this.

Debateable whether S is worth a jump shift, not the worst 19 count ever but it feels a little meh just on instinct.

80/20 N/S

[ArtK78]

North 110%.

Yes, South has a great hand. But I fully understand not wanting to consume bidding space by jumping on a bad 4 card suit with a 3 suited hand. South could have avoided the disaster by jumping, but I cannot find fault with a simple rebid of 1♠.

North, on the other hand, has a good hand in support of spades. North should realize that if the South hand has fitting cards and an above-average opening bid game should have good play. Anytime the South hand consists of minimal wastage in diamonds, 4 good spades and some other cards game is good, and South is certainly not jumping just because he holds those cards.

I suppose a more rational allocation of the blame would be 90% to North, 10% to South, as South could have prevented the disaster by jump rebidding. But the pass by North is just inexcusable.

[PhantomSac]

I like the 1S bid, the pass is atrocious. Even if you don't like 1S, it is certainly a marginal decision (19 points, but stiff honor in partner's suit, no 5 card suit, 13 points outside the suit you open + JS in is meh, pretty bad hand overall), whereas passing 1S has absolutely no merit.

[jdonn]

I blame north! Can't blame south since I would have bid the same way myself.

[kenrexford]

I agree 100% north.

If there's any debate about 1♠, consider this:

On this actualy layout, 4♠ seems really good, but... You start out with four club tricks, two hearts, and a spade. The defense starts out with two Aces. The defense has a real good shot at a second spade trick, and a club ruff, or a bad spade split, could spell doom. If game is not laydown with support, a ruffing value, two clear covers, and six working HCP, none of which was shown by 1♥, then GF is not clear at Opener's rebid.

[jillybean]

I liked my partners reason for passing 1♠ ("12+5 could be too high, your hand is too good for a 1♠ redbid") only slightly less than those suggesting south bid 2♠.

[dicklont]

jillybean, on Feb 26 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

I liked my partners reason for passing 1♠ ("12+5 could be too high, your hand is too good for a 1♠ redbid") only slightly less than those suggesting south bid 2♠.

12+5 leaves 23 for the opps.
In that case 2♠ is preemptive, so it is never wrong.

And 12+6 leaves 22.

[Little Kid]

Wouldn't ever dream of passing 2♠ with North hand, nice 4card support and not a minimum response. Even if you are thinking of limiting partner to 17 or so, game could still easily make opposite an unbalanced hand with ♣ shortage or so. Blaming the missed game on opener's failure to rebid 2♠ seems like resulting. Even if game is not going to make, 2♠ by responder rates to be a good competitive decision.

Don't see anything wrong with 1♠ rebid, its not the best 19 ever with the (singleton honour in partner's suit, scattered values, no texture, no source of tricks, etc). Maybe it is is worth a GF, but I certainly prefer 1♠ because it leaves more room to explore and partner shouldn't pass it on hands like this, making 1♠ safe.

[vuroth]

jillybean, on Feb 26 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

"12+5 could be too high"

If you evaluate north's hand at 5 after the 1♦ open, do you really still evaluate it has 5 after the 1♠ rebid?

[jillybean]

vuroth, on Feb 26 2010, 04:46 PM, said:

jillybean, on Feb 26 2010, 04:40 PM, said:

"12+5 could be too high"

If you evaluate north's hand at 5 after the 1♦ open, do you really still evaluate it has 5 after the 1♠ rebid?

You are asking the wrong person.

[the hog]

Looks like it is unanimous. I think passing 1S is very poor. I would also have bis 1S with the strong hand.

[aguahombre]

I don't pass 1/1/1, period. This one would be farrrrrrr from the exception.

[neilkaz]

North really has to raise here to show 4 card support and to cater to opener having a hand like this or something with a tad less HCP but more unbalanced.

This means that opener doesn't have to JS unless he can be really sure of GF and that can make finding slams a bit easier, IMHO.

Passing 1/1/1 is not good unless you semi-psyched the 1 and have 3 card support for the second suit and don't have enough cards in opener's first suit to return to it.

For those that don't respond 1/1 a bit light, they basically should almost if not totally never pass 1/1/1, IMHO.

Just my opinion ... neilkaz ...

[peachy]

N 100%. Pass was a bad.

[gwnn]

i like passing with as much as a soft 8 count, provided you have a stiff in partner's suit and 3 card support. those hands generally play very well in a 4-3, but need a lot of pep to be able to play game. passing with 4 cards is very bad and I can almostnot think of any hands that would do that.

[NickRW]

jillybean, on Feb 26 2010, 09:40 PM, said:

I liked my partners reason for passing 1♠ ("12+5 could be too high, your hand is too good for a 1♠ redbid") only slightly less than those suggesting south bid 2♠.

I think you should stop liking your partner's reason for passing:

1) Lacking a means of bidding strong 4441 hands, your 1♠ rebid is reasonable, especially with 2 not very strong suits and a stiff honour in partner's first suit.

2) If your side has the minority of the high cards and you have a known 8 card fit, meaning they probably have one too, then they're probably coming over the top of 1♠ - and in which case North is having to bid 2♠ anyway. Give them the harder problem by bidding it straight away.

100% North's problem in my view.

Nick

[jillybean]

Nick. I think the irony was missed, I detest my partners reason for passing.