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Double of opponents cue bid (1s) 2c (3c) D or (1c) 1sp (2sp) D

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Posted 2004-June-18, 04:56

LHO open and partner overcall, RHO cue bid, examples:
(1s) 2c (3c) or (1c) 1sp (2sp)
What does double show now ?
As i see it there are two possible answers
a. Support, this could be 3 small cards.
b. Control in the suit and at least doublton KX or Ax.
a' is better for competitive ressons , and b' is better for the lead.

The answer might depend on the cue bid meaning.
There are 3 cases (2 and half)
1. The cue bid show support (for major) ex' (1sp) 2c (3c)
2. The cue ask for stoper ex' (1c) 1sp (2sp)
3. The cue is either stoper ask or spport (or both) (1c) 1sp (2sp)

What do you prefer for each case ?
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Posted 2004-June-18, 05:07

I prefer b ) because cue-bids are always strong bids. After a cue, it will be very rare that I have a hand that wishes to compete for the part-score. On the other side, it is quite common that I have Kx or Ax in pard's suit, and wish to inform him it's ok to lead his suit.
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Posted 2004-June-18, 05:56

I play it the same way on such positions:

X= I´ve got a major honnor (A,K or Q) wtih 2+ cards.

There is a big difference between doubling a cue-bid on partner´s suit and doubling a cue-bid in your own suit, double is free space for your opponents and the meaning has to be something you won´t do quite often but its worth it when happens.

I play doubling your own cue-bids to show a bad suit, meaning: partner, please don´t lead this suit.
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Posted 2004-June-18, 06:09

This is really weird! Flame and Whereagles, if you analyse the situation, you'll see that this approach is the complete opposite of efficient bidding. Lets see (we suppose opps ask for a stop):

- we have no top honour: the opps usually have a control in that suit. By passing we don't give away anything, but they don't need it anyway. With Dbl, we give away some opportunity to find half a stop (like Qx opposite Jxx), but usually they don't need that extra bidding space (pass, cuebidder Dbls, and then opener can bid with half control).
- we have a top honour: then opps usually don't have a stop, or maximum half a stop. So why would we give opps an opportunity to let them find the half-control? Dbl is not a good bid in that case, so we need PASS for this. This also means that Dbl will mean "no top honour p, don't lead that suit!".

It's a quite simple treatment, but a lot of players play it the standard way: Dbl = lead my suit. Just reverse it, and opps will get more troubles. You can Dbl quite relax without the suit, since opps will usually cuebid at 3-level, and I don't see them make many 3X* where our p bid that suit...

So:
pass = lead your suit
Dbl = don't lead your suit (unless gooooooood reason ofcourse)
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Posted 2004-June-18, 06:36

Free its not wierd its just that you think playing it the opposite way is better, and even tho i didnt think about it too much i think you are right, yet there is always a benefit of playing as natural as you can, for once it will be esier to remember.
Anyway you basically agree with the second approach that the lead is more importent here.
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Posted 2004-June-27, 09:57

I play cuebid, as either asking stopper or limitraise or better in support of pd's suit or any GF hand.

But that aside, if opps are asking for stopper I think X should ask for lead in one of other 2 suits and pass asks for pd to lead his suit.

If opps play it as limit raise or GF, X should show tophonor, preferable the Ace or King.

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