[CSGibson]

Scoring: MP

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Sitting first seat at favorable vulnerability, I chose not to open this hand. LHO bids one spade, partner passes, and RHO bids 2 spades.

1) Is it reasonable for me to bid 2NT at this point, planning to correct diamonds to hearts?

2) Would that be a standard bid (ie, should partner think that would be a possibility beforehand, such that they would bid 3 clubs with a 4-2-4-3 hand)

[mike777]

Is pass an option?

[CSGibson]

Pass is always an option. I was exploring the reasonableness of the other possibilities.

[mike777]

It just seems to me that you either choose to open these hands nv in first seat or just stay out of the auction rather than try and back in at the 3 level between two bidding opp and lho is almost unlimited. Just my opinion.

To be fair no one said MP is bridge.

[han]

Passing now is CRAZY CRAZY CRAZY at any form of scoring! You cannot pass! You are 5-5, you are favorable, you are maximal. Pass, wow.

And yes, 2NT is normal.

[cherdano]

I would have opened but that is a matter of style, passing is fine. But now you definitely have to bid, and yes 2N shows any 2 suits.

[skjaeran]

I'd have opened this 1♥.
Failing that, I totally agree with Justin, Han and Arend - 2NT is obvious now.

[pclayton]

Yes, 2N is the book bid.

I'd open this as well. Bergen 20 count, plus we have all our points in our two suits. Yum.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

#1 sure
#2 depends on agreement, the alternative to 2NT is X.
2NT could be interpreted as minors, 5-4 being
possible shapes, in which case X would just show
the other mayor and a minor.
But if you make the neg. X, you need to have the
agreement that partner uses 2NT to ask for your
minor.

With kind regards
Marlowe

[the hog]

Agree with the others. You should have opened and I would bid 2NT now. Mike, pass is NOT an option at any form of the game.

[neilkaz]

pclayton, on Sep 4 2007, 02:03 PM, said:

Yes, 2N is the book bid.

I'd open this as well. Bergen 20 count, plus we have all our points in our two suits. Yum.

Easy opener with two bullets for me and 55 and all 10 HCP in both suits. If you make the J of ♣ the 9, I still open, but that may be too aggressive for some, but I don't consider myself to be a crazy light opener.

It's just that 5-5 with controls and two good suits have so much potential. (noting the 55 I just had in the blacks and the cold 25 HCP slam I made even though PD was balanced.)

And,, yeah ..2NT now

.. neilkaz ..

[jillybean]

I'd be in a mess here and would have understood 2nt as unusual NT for the minors,
double would be take out and show tolerance for the unbid suits, most probably 4♥.

How do you distinguish between U2nt and '2 suits' ?

[mike777]

jillybean2, on Sep 4 2007, 07:28 PM, said:

I'd be in a mess here and would have understood 2nt as unusual NT for the minors,
double would be take out and show tolerance for the unbid suits, most probably 4♥.

How do you distinguish between U2nt and '2 suits' ?

It is unusual. You are correct.



The point is if partner bids 3d when we have clubs and hearts we "correct" to hearts.

Now partner knows we have two suits.......clubs and hearts....

before that, yes partner thought we have two suits..clubs and diamonds.

[the hog]

Kathryn, pd should bid as if you have C+D, but with the proviso that high level bids have support for the other suit as well. eg a 4C bid means that pd has H support, so that when 2NT bidder bids 4D you can now correct to 4H. Similarly a 4H bis shows one of the minors as well.

[the hog]

Jlall, on Sep 5 2007, 10:41 AM, said:

The_Hog, on Sep 4 2007, 10:33 PM, said:

Kathryn, pd should bid as if you have C+D

I don't agree with this. If partner has 2 hearts, 4 diamonds, and 3 clubs he should bid 3C.

Fair comment. I agree with your post.

[jillybean]

I've always shown my best (longest) minor believing my partner has both minors.
Now here you are saying I should always bid ♣ if I have 3+, allowing partner to correct at the 3 level?

[the hog]

jillybean2, on Sep 5 2007, 11:03 AM, said:

I've always shown my best (longest) minor believing my partner has both minors.
Now here you are saying I should always bid ♣ if I have 3+, allowing partner to correct at the 3 level?

Yes Kathryn as Justin pointed out - because it is possible that 2NT bidder can have D+H you want to play in your best minor suit fit. Also if you bid D, your pd will assume you have tolerance as well.

[jdonn]

jillybean2, on Sep 4 2007, 11:03 PM, said:

I've always shown my best (longest) minor believing my partner has both minors.
Now here you are saying I should always bid ♣ if I have 3+, allowing partner to correct at the 3 level?

Close but not exactly. Just try to imagine the worst case scenario, so you only bid clubs when you prefer diamonds to clubs if you can't stand hearts. In other words, if you are 2443 bid 3♦. If you are 3343 bid 3♦ so you can play in the longer suit when partner has the minors, and the major when partner has hearts and clubs. You get the idea.