[yaohung]

Scoring: IMP

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1♠ from ur left hand opp then follow 1NT response

Question one:
your call?? 2♥ or 3♥ or somethingelse?

Question two:

assume you choose 2♥ or 3♥ overcall then 2♠/3♠ compete from left hand opps, Partner X as penalty

Your call? Why?

Question three:

What is partner's hand most likely?

[MFA]

4♥. If it doesn't make - just too bad.
If partner doubles 4♠ then that's absolutely fine with me.

[helene_t]

4♥ is too much at these colours and the hand is too good for 3♥. So I bid 2♥, hoping to be able to bid 3♥ next turn, or that p encourages me to bid 4♥.

If I bid 3♥, then I have to sit for partner's double since after my preempt, partner's dbls are 100% penalty.

Not sure about 2♥-(2♠). I don't think any of my regular partners would intend that as penalty but I could be wrong. I guess I take it out unless I have the specific agreement that it is 100% penalty.

[Phil]

We are r/w? 3♥ is plenty.

Gladly sit for 3♠ x'd.

: Helene - we've had many discussions about this and I believe the consensus is that x of 2♠ is penalty, although a sizable minority play it as responsive.

[dake50]

Takeout X below 2S, except if ..
Penalty X above 3S.
Best guess X at 3-level.

[mikeh]

4♥ red v white is a BIG position to take...looking at our soft values in the minors and our tatty suit, we know that if the opps say double, we've handed them a bunch of imps.

I'm torn between 2 and 3 and would choose 3, I think. Red v white, this is not a sign of weakness and partner is allowed to evaluate aggressively with a heart card and some minor help...his spade length will probably let him judge that suit reasonably well.

Edit: if after 3♥, partner doubles 3♠, I pass, happy. If I were the doubler and my partner pulled, that would be the end of the partnership....even if it were 'right'.

[jjbrr]

I'd bid 2♥ and cooperate with partner.

[Jlall]

Too chicken for 4H but with a spade void it definitely has a lot of merit. LHO will often have long spades and just accept the transfer. But sometimes it is partner who has 6 spades and it just looks silly, or LHO cracks with 6133 or whatever instead of bidding.

Also if RHO has a 3 card limit raise he might just crack us rather than bid 4S on this auction. I just think 4H is too big of a gamble when RHO doesn't raise spades. If it went 1S p 2S I would definitely bid 4H because now I know they have a fit and will bid 4S a lot more often.

[jdonn]

I bid 4♥. One nice thing about that is you don't have to make a decision when partner later doubles 4♠.

[whereagles]

3 or 4, depending on what I had for dinner.

[Siegmund]

3 and leave the double in, regardless of what I had for dinner.

[gwnn]

2♥ was my first thought but I'd like to bid some more hearts now that I know we're going to get a longer phone number.

[OleBerg]

4♥

There is a bonus for bidding and making game.

[kfay]

4♥, it's a thrill to go for 500 on air.

[mikeh]

OleBerg, on May 6 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

4♥

There is a bonus for bidding and making game.

weird how you think that you are the only member of the partnership who knows this.

[cherdanno]

mikeh, on May 6 2010, 10:29 AM, said:

OleBerg, on May 6 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

4♥

There is a bonus for bidding and making game.

weird how you think that you are the only member of the partnership who knows this.

You think he will bid game with ♥xx and ♦ATx?

[bluecalm]

I would like to play a style where I can bid 3♥ with this hand vulnerable. I am worried most people wouldn't expect that powerful a hand though.
2♥ with them.
3♥ with myself

[Phil]

cherdanno, on May 6 2010, 10:37 AM, said:

mikeh, on May 6 2010, 10:29 AM, said:

OleBerg, on May 6 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

4♥

There is a bonus for bidding and making game.

weird how you think that you are the only member of the partnership who knows this.

You think he will bid game with ♥xx and ♦ATx?

Tell me you are kidding.

[cherdanno]

Of course I am kidding. My point is that while partner knows they pay a bonus for bidding game, there are still many fitting hands where he won't dream of raising (unless you have defined 3H as intermediate, where this would be a (sub-)minimum. Obviously I made the most extreme example, but opposite many hands with ♥K and a minor suit game is quite playable, and partner won't raise.

[Phil]

It would be a long afternoon if we always bid as though:

cherdanno, on May 6 2010, 11:24 AM, said:

partner knows they pay a bonus for bidding game, there are still many fitting hands where he won't dream of raising

Curiously, ♣ATx and ♥xx probably results in 4♥ offering 500 or 800 and 4♠ not making - especially if pard has 5.

Partner knows we aren't broke when we venture 3♥ in a potential misfit auction r/w. Many have suggested IJOs for this reason.